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and physically fit. comparatively to mr. zimmerman who was in the process of losing weight. >> the zimmerman you see there the 300-pound version of george zimmerman is not what he looked like in the altercation. he was 190 and 5'8". the prosecution is now cross-examining the witness root. >> you know, his reference in that statement was addressing his -- clearly addressing his frustration from previous calls in which the individuals got away. his verbiage chosen may not be the most appropriate but i don't mean because somebody has said that because they mean ill will. >> but the target of his frustration, you understand, was trayvon martin? >> i would have to say that the comment, in my opinion, the comment, that frustrating was being voiced at the fact he has made numerous calls. the fact that -- i mean, the other alternative is to go, wow, thee fellows always get away. i don't know what what his general speech pattern is like in regards how he refers to everybody else. in and of itself, i don't see that variable as being showing ill will. >> let me ask you. you had a conversation. >> not that
. i think that's -- >> overruled. the court is entitled to inquire of mr. zimmerman's determination whether or not he wants to testify. mr. zimmerman, have you made a decision as to whether or not you want to testify in this case? >>> getting ready to wrap, the defense team says they're prepared to wrap up as early as today and the jury will begin to deliberate the fate a man claims he shot an unarm ed teen, that t was self-defense. there is still one big question, will zimmerman testify in his own defense. that issue sparked a heated exchange a few minutes ago. watch this in the courtroom. >> have you made a decision, sir, whorcht yether or not you testify? >> your honor, i object to that question. >> okay. overruled. have you made a decision whether or not you want to testify in this case. >> i object to that question. >> overruled. the court is entitled to inquire of mr. zimmerman's determination whether or not he wants to testify. mr. zimmerman, have you made a decision as to whether or not you want to testify in this case? >> no. not at this time. >> okay. and when is it that -
. >> year ruled, the court is entitled to hear whether mr. zimmerman intends to testify. mr. zimmerman, have you made a decision as to whether or not you want to testify in this case? >> no, not at this time. >> i object to the court inquiring to mr. zimmerman -- >> your objection is overruled. >> the trial truly entered its final act today including both sides use of a pliable foam dummy, while questioning a former law enforcement officer. he was called by the defense as an expert on the use of force. the final witness for the defense was george zimmerman, sr. testifying that the screams on the tape were his son. another narrative has been developing. a right wing troupe about the spector of racial violence. here's part of bill o'reilly's talking points last night. >> african-americans come out as a top racist group. 31% of african-americans say their own race heads the list. the only thing the american press will embrace is the spector of oppression. the question in the zimmerman trial is now a racial deal rather than a justice deal. and if george zimmerman is acquitted by a jury of five w
misspeak complete mr. guy fix it. george zimmerman is not guilty if you have a reasonable doubt that he acted in self-defense. this is where i'm going, we are going to send about 10 minutes, proving to you beyond a reasonable doubt that he acted in self-defense. the state needs to convince you all the way down here -- self-defense likely? reasonable doubt of self-defense. is self-defense detective? we have a reasonable doubt as to self-defense, not guilty. it may not be self-defense, you are not quite sure. not guilty. up likely self defense buff it might be. you have a doubt whether it's self-defense? not guilty. less than likely it's self-defense ... this was a 50-50 i wouldn't vote self-defense. this is a civil trial. highly unlikely it's self defense. but i have a reasonable doubt as to whether it's self-defense. not guilty. the state has proven to you beyond another exclusion of every reasonable doubt that he acted in self-defense properly. i have no doubt, a reasonable doubt that the state has convinced me he didn't act in self defense the way he should have. then he's guilty. and
part, about injuries to george zimmerman. first of all, the person interviewing mr. good used ground and pound. however, go back and look at the testimony of mr. good where he describes that they were wrestling and tussling, talked about seeing the hands of mr. -- the person on top in a downward position. not a situation where he was wailing away at the person below. and that's important, because he does not describe this great ground and pound, the words were go back and look at the record, tussling and wrestling are the words he used. >> yeah. >> lastly, the injuries that mr. zimmerman describes, right? even his own testimony from the interview says my hand was a little on the sidewalk. and he was squirming down. but lastly, he tells mr. osterman, my leg -- the legs of trayvon, up by my arms, not down in the midsection of his body, so we believe that the testimony that george zimmerman said about trayvon being near the gun. >> we're running out of time. >> that's why the jury should disregard mr. zimmerman's testimony. >> trayvon talked about witnessing fighting, purchasing a gun.
not properly act in self-defense. and if i mystique, let mr. guy fix it. george zimmerman is not guilty if you have a -- just a reasonable doubt that he acted in self-defense. this is where i'm going, just so you know. we're going to spend about ten minutes with me bringing you all the way up to here. proving to you beyond a reasonable doubt that he acted in self-defense. but i don't need to. the state needs to convince you all the way down here. self-defense likely. reasonable doubt. self-defense. is self-defense suspected? well, you have a reasonable doubt as to self-defense, not guilty. may not be self-defense. you're not quite sure. not guilty. unlikely self-defense. but it might be. you've got a doubt as to whether or not it's self-defense, not guilty. less than likely is it self-defense, this was a 50/50, i wouldn't vote self-defense, this was a civil trial. highly unlikely that it's self-defense. but i had a reasonable doubt as to whether or not it's self-defense. not guilty. the state has proven to me, to you, beyond and to the exclusion of every reasonable doubt that he acted in self-
questions. please, mr. west. >> i object to the court inquiring of mr. zimmerman as to his decision about whether or not to testify. >> your objection is overruled. [ male announcer ] fight pepperoni heartburn and pepperoni breath fast with tums freshers. concentrated relief that goes to work in seconds and freshens breath. tums freshers. ♪ tum...tum...tum...tum... tums! ♪ fast heartburn relief and minty fresh breath. because all these whole grains aren't healthy unless you actually eat them ♪ multigrain cheerios. also available in delicious peanut butter. healthy never tasted so sweet. [ slap! ] [ male announcer ] your favorite foods fighting you? fight back fast with tums. calcium-rich tums starts working so fast you'll forget you had heartburn. ♪ tum tum tum tum tums >>> looks like new yorkers are willing to give elliott spits area second chance after all. a new poll by our new york station wnbc, along with "the wall street journal" and marist finds spitzer out to a nine-point lead in the dramatic primary race for city comptroller. now, tonight at midnight is the deadline for s
't concluded yet. >> i understand that and i've asked mr. zimmerman if he needed more time to talk to his attorneys and if he does, i will afford it to him. if your attorneys have finished with two witnesses before the end of the day, do you think that you would then know whether or not you want to testify? >> i'll -- on mr. zimmerman's behalf -- >> i am asking your client -- your client questions. please, mr. west. >> i object to the court inquiring of mr. zimmerman as to his decision about whether or not to testify -- >> your objection is over ruled. >> that is about as close to a judicial bam as you'll get. remember last night while don west was actually talking the judge walked out on him. they might need some counseling when this is said and done. >> quickly, martin, what do we expect tomorrow and more importantly, can we expect the jury to go out as soon as friday, perhaps? >> we can. real quick, tomorrow they will go over in the morning is the attorneys and the judge working on instructions. these are critical, really crucial information. this is what the jury will learn about what
seized the prop for his own demonstration. >> were the injuries on mr. zimmerman's head consistent with someone doing this on cement? >> reporter: the defense concluded by calling two emotional witnesses. the first a young mother who described a home invasion in the same neighborhood where the shooting happened. when she had to lock herself in her infant son's room. >> i was locked in my son's bedroom and he was shaking the doorknob trying to get in. i was there with a pair of rusty scissors and my son in one arm. >> reporter: she was not only a character witness for the defense, but her testimony paint ed a picture of a neighborhood on alert after previous crimes. then came zimmerman's father who answered what has became a mantra for the defense and the prosecution. whose voice was screaming for help the night martin died? >> absolutely. it's my son, george. >> reporter: and in a move many court watchers anticipated, the prosecution asked the judge for lesser charges to be included. manslaughter, and aggravated assault. the judge will make that decision thursday. and whether stand
in the case? >> i object to that question. >> overruled. the court is entitled to inquire if mr. zimmerman's determination as to whether or not he wants to testify. mr. zimmerman, have you made a decision as to whether or not you want to testify in this case? >> no, not at this time. >> and when is it that -- how long do you think you need before you make that decision? >> your honor, may we have an opportunity to speak? the case hasn't concluded yet. >> i understand that. i have asked mr. zimmerman if he needed more time to talk to his attorneys, and if he does, i will afford it to him. mr. zimmerman, how much more time do you think you need to discuss this with your attorneys? >> i assumed it will depend on how long the recesses are, your honor. the end of the day. >> if your attorneys have finished with two witnesses before the end of the day, do you think you would then know whether or not you want to testify? >> your honor, on mr. zimmerman's behalf -- >> i am asking your client questions. please, mr. west. >> i object to the core court inquiring of mr. zimmerman as to his decision ab
that mr. guy fix it. george zimmerman is not guilty, if you have, just a reasonable doubt that he acted in self-defense. every -- this is where i'm going, just so you know. we'll spend ten minutes with me bringing you all the way up to here proving to you beyond a reasonable doubt that he acted in self-defense. but i don't need to. the state needs to convince you all the way down here. self-defense likely? reasonable doubt as self-defense. the self-defense suspected. well, we have a reasonable doubt as to self-defense, not guilty. may not be self-defense. you're not quite sure. not guilty. unlikely self-defense, but it might be. you have a doubt to whether or not it's self-defense. not guilty. less than likely is it self-defense? this was a 50/50, i wouldn't vote self-defense. this was a civil trial. highly unlikely that it's self-defense. but i have a reasonable doubt as to whether or not it's self-defense. not guilty. the state has proven to me to you beyond and to the exclusion of every reasonable doubt that he acted in self-defense properly. i have no doubt a reasonable doubt that t
there is mr. zimmerman. so you have to go by what he's saying. >> well, i -- respectfully beg to differ with you. there was another person there. wasn't there? >> well, there were couple other witnesses, yes, sir -- >> no. i mean respectfully, the other person there is not among us anymore. >> right. because he's the only one who communicates. that's correct. >> he can't speak because he's dead. >> yeah. >> okay. were you aware, by the way, that the deceased, the victim in this case, trayvon martin, was on the phone with with a lady? >> yes, sir. >> you didn't review her statement. did you? >> no, sir. >> but when you worked with the medical examiner's office as the chief medical examiner, you, if most cases, attempt to find out all the information before you came to an opinion. >> it depends on what the case is about. often the information from the witnesses goes more towards the manner of death rather than the cause of death. in this case, there's no question with the manner of death is. >> okay. so are you suggesting then that all the witnesses testimony should just be disregarded? >
as to mr. zimmerman's determination as to whether or not he wants to testify. mr. zimmerman, have you made a decision as to whether or not you want to testify in this case? >> no, not at this time. >> okay. >> reporter: he keeps butting heads with the judge, what do you make of that? >> he is an excellent defense attorney but he has gotten on the nerves of this judge. and it doesn't help his client for the judge not to like him. i think the saving grace is that the judge clearly likes mark o'mara, they're playing sort of good cop, bad cop. >> reporter: it is pure diplomatic throughout the trial. would you say it got personal between the attorneys and the judge? >> well, between the term is, i think there is animosity, i think it has shown itself in the courtroom. the judge handles it very well, does what she needs to do to have a fair trial. i'm concerned about the rulings, but i respect her rulings. >> reporter: even though the theatrics continued, he says he is ready for everything. >> our entire police department will be ready. there is no vacation or furloughs, unless you're off sick a
fair for mr. zimmerman not to be able to put on his defense because of the state's tactics. it was a strategy obviously, because they had it in january and kept it from us, made us spend 100 hours digging it out, playing games with us, lying to this court and now it's our fault? it's our fault? denying mr. zimmerman the right to present this information violate both the florida and united states constitution. thank you. >> the judge said look, let's not get into this, we're done for the day. there were more developments, including testimony from a high powered witness for the defense. details from marten savage. >> reporter: famed pathologist dr. vincent demayo said the bullet hole in trayvon martin's clothing and body, said it proved that martin was on top. he said he could tell martin was on top, because even though zimmerman's gun was touching the hoody, the hoody was not touching martin's skin. >> in fact, we know that the clothing was two to four inches away is consistent with somebody leaning over the person doing the shooting and that the clothing is two to four inch
of this case it's more about determining whether physical evidence is consistent with mr. zimmerman's account of what he said happen. >> the wound itself by the gap, the powder tattooing in the -- indicates this is consistent with mr. zimmerman's account that mr. martin was over him leaning forward at the time of the shots. >> i want to focus your attention if i might, on a particular event and that is the event that surrounds the of a -- what we now know to be a 911 call. >> i don't know why i think they're yelling help, but i don't know. >> the decision was made to make it public. the martin family heard it first. >> in all probability he's going to be dead within one to three minutes after being shot in this case. now all i'm talking about is heart effectively pumping blood. >> critical testimony today and for the latest we go live to wofl, fox orlando reporter holly bristow. court just recessed minutes ago. what a long day in sanford. take me through what happened today. >> the jury's been out of the courtroom for more than six hours, the highlights of the day were pretty much the forensi
or mr. zimmerman or mr. o'mara or the court for this to happen like this right now. judge, this was a trick. doesn't the court realize this was a trick -- >> sunny, what do you think? trick? i mean, it does seem a little bit bizarre, but will it work? a sign of desperation on the side of the law? >> i think the defense has access to that book. i just think they had not thought of it. so certainly it was a little bit late in the day. it was a stretch. but i don't think it was a trick, there was not anything unlawful about it. and it was pretty clever because it would have focused the jury on the fact that trayvon martin was a child in the eyes of the law. and that is why i thought it was pretty clever. i actually think the judge made the right ruling. >> all right, thank you very much to all three of you. we appreciate your time. and of course, the defense closing argument tomorrow. >>> up next, the trial continues with an attorney for the family. would they be satisfied to see george zimmerman with a lesser charge. >>> and plus, the attacks on september 11th, we're learnin
. please, mr. west. >> i object to the court inquiring of mr. zimmerman as to his decision about whether or not to testify -- >> your objection is overruled. mr. zimmerman, i will give you more time, sir, to discuss this with your attorneys. thank you very much. >> wow. sunny, mark, jump in here. how unusual is this? >> yeah. you know, oftentimes -- >> if you've been watching throughout -- go ahead. >> go ahead, sunny. you go first. mark go second. >> well, oftentimes judges do ask defendants whether or not they've consulted with their attorney. whether or not they've made the decision to testify. because it is the defendant's decision, not necessarily the -- it's never the defense attorney's decision. i also think what you're seeing, suzanne, is just a bit of tension between don west and this judge. he's obviously pushed some of her buttons. and you're seeing -- you're seeing a result of that, i think. >> mark? >> yeah. i agree entirely. there's been -- there's been really ongoing friction between don west and judge nelson, i think, for quite a while now. the tone and tenor of the way s
. zimmerman's determination as to whether or not he wants to testify. >> i object to the court inquiring of mr. zimmerman as to his decision about whether or dt to testify. >> your objection is overruled. >> reporter: earlier, his lawyers called dennis root a retired cop and self-defense ennirt. they hired him to review the evidence and evaluate whether zimmerman killed martin in self- defense. >> did mr. zimmerman have any other options? >> based on my knowledge and understanding of the environment, the situation, the totality of everything, i don't believe he did. >> reporter: lawyers for both sides used a mannequin to simulate zimmerman's fight with martin and explain what could have happened. no witness saw the entire fight. >> so he's doing this? >> reporter: prosecutors will begin their closing statement lomorrow afternoon. each side gets three hours and, scott, the jury will get this case and begin their deliberations some time friday afternoon. >> pelley: mark, thank you. the head of the railroad involved in that train disaster in quebec on saturday blamed the engineer today saying tha
that it was her son as i'm sure you expected before she ever got on the stand. mrs. zimmerman. mesa, sitting at a computer and listening and hearing in the background the voice he knew without question and immediately to be that of his nephew george zimmerman. i think he came across very credibly. i think he came across of his oath and of his word and i will ask you to consider the testimony in that regard. mark osterman a buddy of his and talked about the weapon use and how you holster a gun. he's good at what he does. he was helping george figure out how to fire a gun. sondra osterman, friend. definitely george zimmerman screaming for help. explain away some of what the state was trying prove to you through the nonemergency call about the anger and hatred and all that, that just isn't there. same thing with geri russo. no question in her mind, george's voice. same thing with leann benjamin. heard him scream and yell and that was george zimmerman. john donnelly was interesting. i'm not sure i could, if i thought about trying to figure out who in the world talks to people they know and then
between defense attorney don west and the judge. >> mr. zimmerman, have you made a decision as to whether or not you want to testify in this case? >> no, not at this time. >> okay. when is it that -- how long do you think you need before you make that decision? >> your honor, may we have an opportunity to speak? the case isn't concluded yet. >> i understand that. and i've asked mr. zimmerman if he needed more time to talk to his attorneys and if he does, i will afford it to him. mr. zimmerman, how much more time do you think you are going to need to discuss this with your attorneys? >> i assume it will depend on how long the recesses are, your honor. the end of the day. >> okay. well, if your attorneys have finished with two witnesses before the end of the day, do you think that you would then know whether or not you want to testify? >> your honor, on mr. zimmerman's behalf -- >> i'm asking your client questions. please, mr. west. >> i object to the court inquiring of mr. zimmerman as to his decision about whether or not to testify -- >> your objection is overruled. >> judge alex, you hav
do know it did look like that right afterwards. so if mr. zimmerman just created all of his statements, we throw them out, we start with this, because this is undeniable. this is significant injury. and then we have the back of his head. you know all about that already. and what else do we have? we have 40 seconds of screaming. when i first got this case, i thought it was going to come and go in 20 minutes because when i found out that there was a 911 call sw somebody screaming on it, it was game over. figure out who it is and then we're done because the alternatives are trayvon martin is screaming and my guy is some horrible extended torturing then eventual murderer for 45 seconds, something, if it was trayvon martin, something strange was happening for it to be him. some bizarre 45-second event where he would scream for help, yet still be able to batter george zimmerman, but they will have their theory. i guess they are going tell it to you in their final closing. or it was george zimmerman. and if i could get this to whoever, fbi, let's say, do a little comparison, and we
's listen in. >> you had an opportunity to see mr. zimmerman shortly after the altercation with mr. martin, correct? >> yes. >> can you tell the jury when that was? >> i don't know the exact date, but i would say it was within a couple days after the incident. >> describe him, if you would. did you notice what he looked like? >> he had black eyes. his nose was scraped up. he had some bandages on a his head. that was the obvious physical bruising he had. he looked emotionally traumatized. >> have you seen that in fighters that you've worked with? >> i've seen that in people. generally not in fighters after, you know, they've been competing for a while. a little bit different. he had the look of a human being who had been through an extremely traumatic experience and was traumatized from it. almost like a state of shock that was continuing. >> the -- did he have a conversation with you where he discussed shrimping and the recourse of this event? >> yes, he did. >> when was that? >> objection, hearsay. >> please approach. >> lisa bloom, let's talk to you about what's going on. i can see where
's will be friday. mr. zimmerman has pleaded not guilty claiming self-defense. we learned at day's end the defendant will not take the stand just a few hours before an obligatory set of questions from the judge turned into a tense exchange. >> have you made a decision as to whether or not you want to testify? >> your honor, i object to -- >> overruled. have you made a decision as to whether or not you testify in this case? >> i object to that. >> year ruled, the court is entitled to hear whether mr. zimmerman intends to testify. mr. zimmerman, have you made a decision as to whether or not you want to testify in this case? >> no, not at this time. >> i object to the court inquiring to mr. zimmerman -- >> your objection is overruled. >> the trial truly entered its final act today including both sides use of a pliable foam dummy, while questioning a former law enforcement officer. he was called by the defense as an expert on the use of force. the final witness for the defense was george zimmerman, sr. testifying that the screams on the tape were his son. another narrative has been developing. a right w
in the afternoon when the judge asked mr. zimmerman whether he would testify or not. he said he needed more time to decide. what finally made him decide not to? i assume for most of this trial, you've known he's not going to testify. >> actually, that's not true. he was really considering testifying. he wanted to tell the jury what he did, why he did it and what he was facing when he made that decision to fire the shot. i think the confusion was more of semantics than substance, though. whenever that decision is made, it's always with consultation with counsel and george wanted to include that information. so that was a little bit of confusion but really without a point. >> what convinced him not to do it? i assume your advice was not to do it. >> yeah. the way i look at it, i have to convince myself if the state has proven their case beyond a reasonable doubt before i would consider putting any client on the stand. i just don't think that they presented it, so there was no reason to put him on the stand, realizing he's already given five or six statements that the jury can consider. >> the stat
to the time where you l left the area of the event, first ran into mrs. zimmerman, went back looking for her and left the second time? >> correct. >> at some point, then, did you give statements to law enforcement regarding what you knew or heard about the event? >> yes. there was an fbi agent who left a card on my door and requested i call him. so i called. >> okay. >> and he and another agent came to my house and interviewed me. >> and you gave them a state about whatever information they asked you about, i presume? >> that is correct. >> okay. at some point did you have an opportunity to listen to what we call and have been calling during this trial the lauer 911 tape? and for your purposes, that is the tape that has the voices in the background screaming for help. have you had an opportunity to listen to that? >> yes. >> can you tell me the circumstances of the setting around the first time that you listened to it. >> the first time that i heard it was when it was played on one of the local news channels. >> okay. were you by yourself or with anyone else? >> you know, i really don't -- i
. >> in the face of contact of the clothing indicates this is consistent with mr. zimmerman's account that he, that mr. martin was over him, leaning forward at the time of being shot. >> reporter: at times using a photo of a bloody george zimmerman, he said the wounds were consistent with being shot. george zimmerman is pleading not guilty to second-degree murder. >> is this injury consistent with mr. zimmerman's head having impacted a sidewalk? >> yes. >> reporter: the state's cross-examination was quick but thorough. the prosecutor stressing that the doctor relied primarily only on physical evidence of the gunshot wound and zimmerman's account of what happened to form his opinions. >> i'm saying that the physical evidence is consistent with mr. martin being over mr. zimmerman. >> is it not also consistent with mr. martin pulling away from zimmerman on the ground and you would have the same angle, he's pulling away, and zimmerman shooting him at that time. >> yeah. >> reporter: the jury will ultimately have to decide which version the evidence supports. now, yesterday as we talked about, the
>> i object to the court acquiring of mr. zimmerman as to his decision whether or not to testify. >> your objection is overruled. >> reporter: but after a tense exchange between judge debra nelson and zimmerman's lawyers, he made his choice. >> after consulting with counsel not to testify, your honor. >> reporter: there was also proof in court wednesday you can learn a lot from a dummy. during one of the most surreal moments in court, both sides straddled a foam dummy in attempts to illustrate the conflicting arguments as to what happened the night trayvon martin was killed. prosecuting attorney john guy argued that it could have been difficult for zimmerman to shoot at a 90 degree angle had trayvon martin been on top. >> would it be consistent the 90 degrees if trayvon martin was backing up and the defendant raised his gun and shot at 90 degrees? >> reporter: then defense attorney mark o'mara grabbed the dummy to support his argument. >> the injuries on mr. zimmerman's back on his head consistent with someone doing this? >> reporter: and on the final day of testimony, george zim
evidence in the case. are the nonemergency 911 tapes that mr. zimmerman made to the police department. his mind-set. you start talking mind-set. you take the history that's now in evidence, george zimmerman calling the cops mainly on young black men, and then the night of the call, how he talks about the facts of this guy being suspicious, calling him an a-hole and how people get away with things. and that created a serious mind-set, and statement after statement, how george zimmerman clearly has in his mind, all of the occurrences in his neighborhood and he intended to do something about it. >> the prosecution has a burden, a high one, mr. parks, to prove there was essentially implied malice. that george zimmerman that evening was essentially going out to get justice. tired of the burglaries in his gated community. going unsolved, saw what he believed was suspicious behavior on the part of trayvon martin, but you also had testimony from the prosecution witnesses that, in fact, trayvon martin was on top of george zimmerman, one of the prosecution witnesses saying that it appears that he ha
is consistent with mr. zimmerman's account. it's my opinion that the muzzle of the gun in this case was two to four inches away from the skin. so the barrel of the gun was against the clothing. the muzzle of the gun was against the clothing. the clothing itself had to be two to four inches away from the body. at the time mr. martin was shot. the most important point is the nature of the defect in the clothing and the power. if you lean over somebody, you would notice that the clothing tends to fall away from the chest. if instead you're lying on your back and somebody shoots you. the clothing is going to be against your chest. so that's a fact that if we know the clothing was 2 to 4 inches away, it's consistent with somebody leaning over the person doing the shooting. so the wound itself by the gap, by the powder tattoo iing in th face of the contact of the clothing, indicates this is consistent with mr. zimmerman's account. that mr. martin was over him, leaning forward at the time he was shot. >> here with reaction tonight, fox 35 orlando reporter, valerie boyle. you were in the courtroom
objection, but you're right, mr. zimmerman should be concerned about that. the state is pounding the lies, because there are no eyewitnesss. so they need prove he is lying about it. i think they exaggerated things like zimmerman got out of the car and didn't know what street he was on. if he was concerned, maybe he didn't know where he was. it's obviously very dark out there. that's minutia. that's misrecollection as the court calls them. >> i set all four of you up on the whole issue of credibility. i want you to hear something, and i can't believe the defense just sat there with this. lets listen to another argument by the prosecutor, and i'll tell you something. >> a man who after shooting trayvon martin, claims to not have realized that he was dead. recall also what happened when mr. manaldo came out and recall also what happened when the officer came out. and as they handcuffed him. recall what he told mr. manaldo, please call my wife. mr. manaldo was taking too long and he said just tell her i killed him. >> that george zimmerman is a lawyer, because liar, because he said that to th
is once the state invoked the rule and refused to allow mr. and mrs. zimmerman to be here and shelly zimmerman was here by herself, that she requested mr. donnelly to join a -- i guess the row behind her. that's just so you understand how this whole thing began with mr. donnelly coming in to offer support to ms. zimmerman. insurgence, since i had never met him, mr. west i think met him at his deposition, but we had certainly not pre-tried him as a witness, because just so you're clear, we had no intention of calling him. that sort of comes in mind with the suggestion that we had any connivance. with the fact -- and there was a technical violation of the rule, the question is, what is the remedy? before you consider any remedy, i think you need to find that not only was a there a technical violation, there was a true substantive violation. and there's been no finding of that, there's been no evidence or suggestion of that, and in reality, we know what his testimony was, because it was quite limited, limited to testimony that he created, if you will, on saturday -- >>> mark o'mara, the
. >> were you able to identify mr. zimmerman's voice during the first time you listened to it? yes, my immediate reaction to it was, that is george's voice. >> that's georgy. >> it's george zimmerman, and i wish to god i did not have the ability to recognize that. >> i pushed away from the table and shook my head and said, i can't tell. >> and the judge rules the jury will hear about trayvon martin's alleged pot use. joining us to talk about a busy day in court, mark o'mara. mark, busy day. pretty important day in many ways. how significant is this late breaking decision to allow trayvon martin's toxicology report including his cannibis use to be made available to the court? >> good evening, piers, it's good to chat with you again. we thought this day was coming, the judge had initially said we could not present that evidence until we were able to tie it up in terms of being relevant. we knew we would have a toxicologist come in to say that any level of pot in the system could have some effect. of course that falls in line with what george zimmerman stated in his first couple moments w
testified that would suggest it was mr. zimmerman's fault that led to his death, correct? >> correct. >> and if it was not your son screaming, if it was in fact george zimmerman then you would have to accept the probability that it was trayvon martin who caused his own death, correct? >> i don't understand your question. >> now, goldie, i was very uncomfortable with that exchange. i will speak to their credit when zimmerman's mother was on the stand they had a similar kind of question for her. what was o'mara getting out with that line of questioning for sabriybrina fulton. >> you don't want to believe that your son was out to do no good that night. i think if you use o'mara's logic then you have to ask mrs. zimmerman if you don't hear your son on this tape don't you have to see your son as a murderer. that is a difficult thing on either side. for him to ask her if she believes her son caused her own death. had he not gotten out of the car, what did trayvon martin do to cause george zimmerman to follow him. at the end of the day sybrina fulton's testimony i think was much more powerf
with mr. zimmerman's account that he -- that mr. martin was over him leaning forward at the time he was shot. >> most of the morning, however, was consumed by a hearing without the jury. the prosecution wants to block the submission of an animation created by zimmerman's defense team, one depicting their version of the chain of events that took place the night of the shooting. after nearly two hours of discussion, the judge delayed further debate on the animation until this afternoon. dr. vincent dimaio is continuing his testimony right now. let's bring you back to the courthouse. >> -- way we are walking around an such, or even bumping your head. it's no big deal because the axons can take that. if the movement is very violent, it stretches the axons and this causes injury to the wall. if the movement, which is more violent, is relatively mild, the injury is repaired by the axon and there's no problem. and then there is a gradual increase in force until you get something like an automobile accident where, you know, you run into something and your head goes forward and hits the pane
today. the defense, which represents mr. zimmerman, the defense, after calling four days of witnesses they will start their closing arguments tomorrow. there will be time for rebuttal after that closing argument, then the jury will get the case and start to deliberate. today, the judge presiding in the case ruled that the jury will be allowed to consider two different charges, second degree murder or manslaughter, which is a lesser charge, when they deliberate. if convicted of the greater of the two charges, second degree murder, the maximum penalty for mr. zimmerman will be life in prison. if he is convicted of manslaughter, the maximum is 30 years in prison, and of course, if mr. zimmerman is found not guilty on either charge he will be free to go. but again, the timing on the trial, it has been focused on so much, the jury will get the case possibly tomorrow afternoon. now interestingly, it is not a jury of 12 people. it is a jury of six. and all six members of the jury are women. since they were picked the jury has been sequestered. in court, they have remained completely anonymou
zimmerman's innocence earlier this week. >> so, george zimmerman, trayvon martin. the injuries on mr. zimmerman's head consistent with somebody doing this on cement? >> i don't think so. >> how about this? how about somebody resisting the attempt, the injuries the two lacerations? could that have come from cement? if somebody was resisting me pushing down? >> i believe so. i believe it was a culmination of downward force, whether it was from pushing or striking and i know clearly by the injuries to his face and that would drive him back, his head striking hard into the concrete. >> meanwhile, the prosecution tried to paint a very sinister picture of the defendant. >> why does this defendant get out of the car if he thinks that trayvon smarnt a threat to him? why? why? because he has got a gun. he has got the equalizer. is he going to take care of it. he is a wanna be cop. he is going to take care of it he has got a gun. and my god it's his community and is he not going to put up with it. either the police are taking too long to respond, he is he going to handle it. >> laura: in the e
suffered at least six impacts. >> is this injury consist 2e7b89 with mr. zimmerman's head having impacted a sidewalk? >> yes. >> reporter: the prosecution jumped on a key question that the defense expert couldn't answer. >> you're not testifying as to who started what led up to the death of sflaim >> that's correct, sir. >> and you're not saying who attacked who, whether it was george zimmerman who attacked trayvon martin or whether it was trayvon martin who attacked george zimmerman, you can't say? >> that's correct, sir. >> in fact, you can't testify as to who threw the first punch. >> that's correct, sir. >> and you can't say whether it was trayvon martin defending himself or george zimmerman defending himself in terms of when this first started. >> when it first started, that's correct, sir. >> reporter: the prosecutor got the witness to admit the defense was paying demayo $400 an hour for his expertise. but demayo said the case didn't require a lot of his time. >> up to yesterday, $2400. this is not exactly a complicated case. >> reporter: the state was also to get the pathologist to
and in fact, not given over some evidence. let's play that. >> it's simply unfair for mr. zimmerman not to be able to put on his defense because of the state's tactics. it was a strategy because they had it in january and kept it from us and made us spend 10, 20, 30, 100 hours digging it out and lying to the court and it's our fault? >> a, how extensive, if you agree with co-counsel, how extensive do you think the lies are and is there other contentions on how the state handled the case? >> i complained to you a few times about discovery. this is the case i filed not one but six motions for sanctions. in my practice never filed a sanctions violation request with the court. in this particular case and what frustrated mr. west so much so we know from evidence from the whistle blower from the state attorney's office that they had evidence of these reports that were generated in the third week of january of 2013. we didn't receive the information until june 4th. that type of discovery violation is significant, and it negatively impacted our way to get prepared for the trial, and i can u
teleported or what? >> that shows the direction of mr. martin and mr. zimmerman consistent with witness testimony or witness reports, police reports, and with the trail of evidence going down that direction. >> the trail of evidence, you'd great with me, is just a trail. it by itself doesn't is a direction, right? in other words, whether it's going right to left or left to right as you're looking at it, the places where things are found doesn't independently have a direction until you start pringing in what other people have said about how it happened, correct? >> correct. the reason for the arrow is moving from the one witnessed event down to the next witnessed event. i didn't add anything in between there in terms of movement of the figures. >> because the animation cannot show it because you have no idea how it actually happened, right? >> correct. >> now, when we get to the figures to where the figures reemerge, you have a representation of a figure that is to be john good, correct? >> yes. >> how tall is john good? >> 6 foot. >> and you got this information from the attorneys? >> y
to four inches away from martin's body. >> that this is consistent with mr. zimmerman's, that martin was over him, but his findings called into question were zimmerman intptionally targeted martin, pointed to other possibilities. >> is it sphept with mr. mar ten pulling away. he's pulling away and zimmerman shooting him at that time. >> yes. >> dimao explained despite the injury to zimmerman's head, the evidence doesn't reveal who initiated the confrontation that ultimately led to martin's death a judge ruled the jury will be aloud to hear testimony about the toxicology report showing there was marijuana in marren it's system when he died. reporting from sanford, florida. >> the retrial date for amanda knox is set for september 30th. knox's acquittal was overturned in march, so there were deficiencies and contradesks in the rulg. they are determining if knox and her former boyfriend killed her british roommate. >> there's a new option about serving in afghanistan. it could bring our troops home by next summer. right now the schedule has troops leaving by the end of 2014. the presiden
to testify in this case? >> no, not at this time. >> i object to the court inquiring of mr. zimmerman as to his decision about whether or not to testify. >> your objection is overruled. >> reporter: but after a tense exchange between judge debra nelson and zimmerman's lawyers he made his choice. >> after consulting with counsel, not to testify, your honor. >> reporter: there was also proof in court wednesday you can learn a lot from a dummy. during one of the most surreal moments in court, both sides straddled a foam dummy in attempts to illustrate the conflicting arguments as to what happened the night trayvon martin was killed. prosecutors john guy argued it would be difficult for zimmerman to shoot at a 90-degree angle had trayvon martin been on top as presented by the defense. >> would it be consistent the 90 degrees if trayvon martin had been backing up and the defendant raised his gun and shot at 09 degrees. >> reporter: then defense mark o'mara grabbed the dummy. >> were they inconsistent with someone doing this? >> reporter: on the final day of testimony, robert zimmerman retu
-- indicates that this is consistent with mr. zimmerman's account that he -- that mr. martin was over him. leaning forward at the time he was shot. >> dr. di maio testified he believes that zimmerman had at least six injuries on his head and that some of those injuries could have been caused by hitting against concrete. >> i think you have six identifiable injuries. the two lacerations on the back of the head. the impacts in both temple regions. that is four, the nose is five, and the forehead is six. so there is definite evidence of six impacts. that does not mean that there were only six. >> here is dr. di maio under examination by the prosecution. >> i'm saying that the physical evidence is consistent with mr. martin being over mr. zimmerman. >> and is it not also consistent with mr. martin's pulling away from zimmerman on the ground, and you would have the same angle. he is pulling away, and zimmerman is shooting him at that time? >> yes. >> let me make sure, i understand what you're saying. that you can hit somebody and not leave any bruising on your knuckles, is that correct? >> tha
to testify or not. >> mr. zimmerman not taking the stand. >> george zimmerman has pled not guilty and claims he fatally shot trayvon martin in self defense. >> state versus george zimmerman. >> twenty-three days after the state versus george zimmerman, the state began his closing argument. here is how attorney de la rionda began his closing argument today. >> a teenager is dead. he is dead through no fault of his own. he is dead because another man made assumptions. that man assumed certain things. he is dead, not just because the man made those assumptions, because he acted upon those assumptions and unfortunately, unfortunately, because his assumptions were wrong trayvon benjamin martin no longer walks on this earth. >> even though george zimmerman chose not to testify in his own defense, the prosecution tried to use george zimmerman's words against him. >> this innocent, 17-year-old kid was profiled as a criminal. to quote the defendant and pardon my language "he was one of those bleep-holes that get away. pardon my language, he was one of those f-punks. now the defendant, george zimmerma
with innocence. in other words, mr. -- mr. zimmerman gets the benefit of that issue. whether or not it's consistent with guilt or innocence, they must find it in that instance, consistent with innocence and give mr. zimmerman the benefit of it. and, of course, that when you connect up the dots, if you will, when you pile on all of these circumstances, they must be so conclusive that it can only indicate proof beyond a reasonable doubt of the guilt. if the circumstances are susceptible of two reasonable constructions, one indicating guilt, the other innocence, you must accept that construction indica indicating evidence. indeed under the circumstances of this case, which is all circumstantial, if you will, on the issue of intent. and, frankly, a lot of it is circumstantial on the core issue of self-defense. even though mr. root said that george zimmerman's conduct was objectively reasonable under the information that he had. the jury has to find, was his fe fear -- did he reasonably believe that he was facing imminent great bodily harm or death if he didn't respond with force. they're g
to the court inquiring to mr. zimmerman about his decision whether to testify -- >> your objection is overruled. >> zimmerman told the judge he had not yet decided, but would do so by the end of the day. >> and what is your decision, sir? >> after consulting with counsel, not to testify, your honor. >> the jury has heard zimmerman's version of events through recorded interviews and re-enactments in which he says he acted in self-defense. still, his attorney says he struggled with his decision not the testify. >> i think that he really wanted to be able to interact with this jury and say to them, this is what i did and this is why i did it. >> i'm going to let you recess for the evening. >> reporter: after excusing the jury for the day, the judge laid out her schedule. closing arguments beginning today at 1:00 and the case tentatively handed off to the jury by friday afternoon. then the wait for a verdict. prosecution and defense say they will need three hours each for closing arguments. paige, back to you. >> thanks, sarah. >>> new this morning in the crash of asiana flight 214, we're hearing v
present there is mr. zimmerman. you have to go by what he's saying. >> i respectfully beg to differ. there was another person there in. >> there were a couple other witnesses. >> i mean respectfully the other person there is not among us anymore? >> right. because he's the only one communicates. >> he can't speak because he's dead? >> yeah. >> okay. were you aware that the deceased, the victim in this case, trayvon martin was on the phone with lady? >> yes, sir. >> you didn't review her statement, did you? >> no, sir. >> when you worked with the medical examiner's office you in most cases attempted to find out all the information before you came to an opinion? >> it depends on what the case is about. often the information from the witnesses goes more towards the manner of death rather than the cause of death. in this case there's no question the manner of death. >> are you suggesting that in all the witnesses testimony should be disregarded? >> for my purpose, not for the jury but for my purposes it's not important in my giving my opinion. >> in terms of your limited opinion in term
gets the benefit of that? mr. zimmerman. >> ted, strong point for the defense if they can't decide. duelling mothers and fathers and relatives. >> if it's a benefit of a doubt, it goes to the defense. >> unless of course i might say sarcastically the defense has a burden of proof. i say with sarcasm. >> they don't have that burden and i don't know why they want to undertake that burden. >> the only thing i would say about that is i thought the defense definitively proved whose voice it was and i was surprised they didn't own that more firmly. i don't know how you compare the two sets of witnesses plus the other facts. to me it was obvious it was george zimmerman ice voice. >> you have the deceased's mother in the courtroom and if you own it you're saying she doesn't know her own son's voice and polite. it's tactically -- and if the jury would appreciate it more. bernie? >> yeah. i mean, the defense had openings here to drive a truck through. i was waiting for today, to the disadvantage of all of my clients who, you know, pay me and i pay my mortgage waiting for this to happen and y
not going to profit a penny. >> mr. crump also telling cnn that in the event george zimmerman is acquitted, he said the martin family will accept that verdict. when we come back, the jury now done with 11 hours in deliberations. entering hour 12. stay with us. bounce is great because the freshness lasts for weeks in the drawer. why can't everything stay fresh that long? [ male announcer ] how do you get your bounce? [ man ] lasting freshness. >>> this is the verdict sheet here. a jury in sanford, florida, has three choices they can find george zimmerman guilty of murder in the second degree, guilty of manslaughter or the jury can find george zimmerman not guilty. the deliberations now beginning their 12th hour in sanford, florida, i'm john king in washington. thanks for watching. after a quick break, our continuing coverage live with don lemon in sanford, florida. you know throughout history, folks have suffered from frequent heartburn. but getting heartburn and then treating day after day is a thing of the past. block the acid with prilosec otc, and don't get heartburn in the first place.
. zimmerman, singleton, and by the way chris sarino say the same thing. unfortunately when mr. martin did first hear the tame, he said what he believed to be true then. it would seem from the officers, and that is, that's not my son's voice. it just wasn't his voice to him, and his mind has changed now. but it is interesting for you to consider when you're trying to figure out that issue of who said what, and what witnesses said what, because you're going to give him credibility, you're going to weight them, decide to dismiss their testimony or accept their testimony and try to figure out, remembering always, as we'll talk about in a moment, the doubt always go to my client's benefit. adam pollock, animated, big guy, george is soft, he's a 1, i don't care that he's been here for a year. i don't know that i would have advertised that i trained george zimmerman for a year and he went from a 0.5 to a 1, but he did. so this mma, you know, george, i think he said it was 18 months, that geologist is mma training, grr. really? c'mon. really? in light of the testimony of the trainer who said i wo
testimony from friends and co-workers of mr. zimmerman today. >> well, if it were up for a vote, the defense would win because they now have seven witnesses saying that zimmerman screaming for help on the 911 call. of course it is not up for a vote. there's three prosecution witness whose have said so and there's one prosecution witness who didn't know either of these men but said it sounded like a boy who was screaming. add to that that george zimmerman himself when confronted with the tape by law enforcement said it doesn't sound like me and add to that further that the screaming stops when the shot rings out, which might suggest that the shooting victim was the one who got shot. so it's complicated. my view as is the jury will probably say we can't sort this out and simply put this piece of evidence aside, andrea. >> craig melvin, what are we expecting for the rest of the afternoon and also coming up tomorrow and as we proceed this week? >> andrea, so far today the defense has called five witnesses. we expect that at any moment -- the jury in fact is being brought into the jury right now.
an investigation like this, look at the individual that they are interrogating, they had mr. zimmerman for six hours. he had complied with every request that they wanted, all the interviews they wanted. had they asked him for a blood test, he would have given it, the police have responded to that criticism by saying, look, we request drug screens when they seem to be appropriate, is there any indication whatsoever that the person might be impaired, and in george zimmerman's case, there's no evidence, or indication whatsoever that he might have been impaired. on the other hand, trayvon martin's toxicology, every deceased person who goes to the medical examiner has blood pulled and toxicology is run. >> to some of the more difficult exchanges between you and trayvon martin's grieving parents it can't be easy to be an attorney in your position to cross examine without the witness. >> you didn't listen to ben crump on the 27th or 28th? he wasn't your attorney on that day? >>, he wasn't. >> later did you instruct him to say police lied when they said you had said no about hearing your son's voice?
. this morning, they heard mr. zimmerman's lawyer make closing arguments for the defense. >> you look at all this evidence, and you have to say i have a reasonable doubt as to whether or not the state convinced me. he didn't act in self-defense. that's all you have to do. you don't have to write innocent on the bottom of the verdict form. i want you to really, really look at the instructions, apply them, and just say he acted in self-defense, find him not guilty. let him go back and get back to his life. >> after that, the state had its final chance for a rebuttal. prosecutor john guy made a passionate final plea to the jury. >> this isn't a complicated case. it's a common sense case. and it's not a case about self-defense. it's a case about self-denial. the defendant didn't shoot trayvon martin because he had to. he shot him because he wanted to. that's the bottom line. what do we owe trayvon martin? 16 years and 21 days, forever. he was a son, he was a brother, he was a friend. and the last thing he did on this earth was try to get home. trayvon martin may not have the defendant's blood on
mr. zimmerman. you can hold it against me if you want. but i have your assurance you won't. here's how it goes. knock, knock. who's there? george zimmerman. george zimmerman who? all right. good. you're on the jury. nothing? that's funny. >> stephen: come on. that is some grade-a, light-hearted murder trial humor. i think this is a shrewd move by zimmerman's lawyer. america has a long history of murder humor. i mean, who can forget during the o.j. trial when johnnie cochran blew up that glove and put it over his head? "if the glove fit on my head, he didn't make her dead." you know it. i know it. he knows it. she knows it. and in "to kill a mockingbird," atticus finch knew that a little humor could health the hearts of even the most hardened racists. >> in the name of god, do your duty. nothing? i said duty. come on. that's funny. >> stephen: i always cry at that part. we'll be right back. >> welcome back, everybody. my guest tonight is a professor of american history at tufts. we're honored to have him here the night that african-american history ended. please welcome peniel jos
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with mr. zimmerman sat on mr. martin was over hand leaning forward at the time of the shot. >> a neighbor testified by skype saying it was george zimmerman's voice on the 911 call screaming for help. >> they said i don't approve george's voice. i would say it was him. >> by him you mean who? >> george zimmerman. >> the trial resumes later this morning by 9:00. the judge rules whether the jury will see the animation of the fatal altercation as well as trayvon martin's text messages. >> thank you very much. appreciate it, anna. >> for the first time survivors of the boston bombing will come face to face with the man charged with vicious acts of terror. dzhokhar tsarnaev will make his first appearance in front of the judge. he has several counts ranging murder to mass destruction. >> i want to know why. it doesn't make snins to me whatsoever. he hurt innocent people. i don't know how he can live in our country and just feel that way. >> tsarnaev is accused of killing three and wounding more than 200 others. 17 of the charges carry a penalty of life in prison or the death penalty. the courtho
to that question. i think that's -- >> overruled! the court is entitled to inquire if mr. zimmerman's wants to testify. have you made a decision as to whether or not you want to testify in this case? >> reporter: the defense wrapped up its case by using a manikin to demonstrate its version of zimmerman's struggle with trayvon martin. >> if trayvon had been backing up, and the defendant raised his gun and shot it 90 degrees -- >> reporter: each side will have three hours to present closing arguments. zimmerman is charged with 2nd degree murder. but the jury may be instructed to consider lesser charges. zimmerman's attorney says he put up a good defense, but his client remains very concerned. >> the state of florida is trying to put him behind bars for the rest of his life. >> reporter: the jury should get the case on friday. decides. the opening of the new bay brge span may >>> trayvon martin's family is urging people across florida to remain calm no matter what the jury decides. >>> the opening of the new bridge span may not have to be delayed. >> we can achieve seismic safety within a mont
murder trial? >> mr. zimmerman, have you made a decision on whether or not you want testify in this case? >> no, not at this time, no. >> reporter: later, she asked again. finally, he gave his answer. >> and what is your decision, sir? >> after consulting with counsel, not to testify. >> reporter: he didn't testify but it was the most he's spoken in court in the 21 days since this contentious trial began. with that the defense rested its case. seemingly confident it had established to the six-person, all-female jury that when he former neighborhood watchman shot and killed 17-year-old trayvon martin in february 2012, it was an act of self-defense. >> the jury has already heard him give his version of events, right? so it doesn't make a lot of sense for him to get on the stand, the jury won't hold it against him if he doesn't. >> reporter: in a dramatic day in court the prosecution presented a mannequin during the questioning of a defense witness law enforcement officer. >> were you aware that the defendant described to his best friend that when he slid down, the defense slid down, that t
it was intentional. it solicits the focus on whether or not mr. zimmerman acted with justification which we've been focusing on which is self-defense. >> gregg: manslaughter is the easier standard, is it not, but self-defense is a complete defense. it negates and excuses both second degree murder and manslaughter? >> it does, but here is the big issue. self-defense has to be reasonable. he had to reasonably perceive that his life was in peril. a lot of it is going back and forth. so he bought the skittles and expert says the injuries to your back of the head and nose whether it was fractured or bloody nose wasn't life-threatening. how can you come forward and you the jurors should accept that you legally perceive that his life was in danger. >> gregg: couple things on that point. wonderful demonstration, i think anybody would agree, by mark o'mara when he when he block the concrete. wait a minute, his weapon was not skittles and ice tea. no it was a deadly weapon, concrete which, which can cause brain damage to our pathologist. he said, take a look at the jury instructions when you go back to the j
's simply unfair for mr. zimmerman not to be able to put on his defense because of the state's tactics. it was a strategy because they had it in january and kept it from us. >> the defense wants jurors to hear about trayvon martin's text messages which reportedly showed he had been in fights and was trying to allow guns. george zimmerman maintains he shot the teen in self-defense. >>> we need to stand together as one, no cuffs no guns. let's give violence a rest. >> i know your patients will be tested. >> that is the message from florida authorities as the verdict at the george zimmerman trial looms overhead. millions of americans have made up their minds about what they believe should happen and no matter how the verdict falls authorities worry
something who is fairly proficient. >> would have to be. >> did you train mr. zimmerman at all in a do with arm locks or anything like that? >> he wasn't accomplished enough for that. >> so -- >> he had been around in a class as far as chokes and arm locks but that was not something he could pull off. >> even if i never came to your gym, if you jumped on top of me, i might grab your arm and try to -- >> absolutely. >> that would not be what you would define arm lock. >> not close. >> just a grabbing of the hand? >> it's a reflex. understand, what we do is we try to go and train a skill set to where you're have conditioned reflections. that takes quite a bit of work. >> you had said -- you defined mr. zimmerman as soft, at the beginning of all of this. >> uh-huh. >> how was he when he left your gym? how would you define him? >> well, he had lost quite a bit of weight so he was in physically better shape, but he would still have a long way to go. he wasn't shredding or ripped like any competitive fighter or body builders. he still had more body fat to lose, and he still needed to gain mu
in the face of a contact of the clothing indicates this is consistent with mr. zimmerman's account that he -- that mr. martin was over him leaning forward at the time of the shot. >> bill: how important is that, guilfoyle. >> i think this is the hole issue? the case. the position of the two of them. whether or not george zimmerman had a reasonable belief that he was in danger of great bodily injury or death. what he said is consistent with the number of times that we have heard from zimmerman during the prosecution's case, his previous statement that there is gunshot residue that the trajectory of the bullet, it's about four inches apart consistent with someone being on part of george zimmerman. and that's sis tent with what the prosecution says he was on top of him. >> bill: let me play devil's advocate here. the charge is that zimmerman murdered trayvon martin. second degree. >> second degree and manslaughter, correct. >> bill: certainly it is possible in a fracas, you are fighting, you are fighting, and there is no doubt that zimmerman had wounds and trayvon martin had wounds. you are f
is inquired to inquire mr. zimmerman's determination whether or not he wants to testify. mr. zimmerman, you have made a decision as to whether or not you want to testify in this case? >> no. not at this time. >> bill: i think the judge did that to show the jury that shield like to hear what zimmerman had to say too. i think that's why she did it. >> well, but you know what? it was outside the presence of the jury. the jury didn't see those fireworks. there were fireworks between the two of them last night as well. >> bill: why did the judge do that? and thank you for correcting me on that. i thought the jury heard that why did the judge do that? why was she so anxious to know whether zimmerman was going to testify when that would have exposed itself in due time anyway? >> well, you know what? it's interesting because normally, in terms of my experience, the judge will wait until the end of the defense case and maybe she is exhausted. maybe she is trying to do, you know, logistically. >> bill: you don't really know why she did it because i thought it was a little strange. >> it was. >> bill:
trial ending with questions about the judge's behavior. >> on mr. zimmerman's behalf -- >> i'm asking your client questions. please, mr. west. >> i object to the court inquiring of mr. zimmerman as to his decision about whether or not to testify. >> your objection is overruled. >>steve:
? >> if trayvon martin is backing up and you are saying that mr. zimmerman is laying on his back and brings the gun if he is backing up that the bullet is going to go straight in? >> could he shoot him at a 90 degree angle ? >> i think i am getting really lost. this 90 degree thing. i don't want to misinform the jury. >> if the defendant started to sit up and trayvon martin is getting up are you saying there couldn't be a 90 degree angle? >> with him in a half up position? if the body is in line -- in order, my understanding to maintain the entry we will have to maintain some relativity between the two persons. so the relativity i can sit here and say the same thing that if i am laying completely back and you are more forward i can get a 90 degree entry. could it happen that way? the absolutely answer is absolutely yes. if he is getting up and he is getting up together, sure. >> should the defense have called that witness. he seems a little confused. >> i didn't think he was a good witness for the defense. on cross examination he was evisc rated. this jury likes this prosecutorer. he is att
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